Atheist Argument Against the Veracity of the Holy Qur’an.

“And when you said, “O Moses, we can never endure one food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions.” (Holy Qur’an 2:61)

“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When  it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Holy Qur’an 6:114)

Ah fresh greens!  The cucumbers, and garlic, and lentils and onions!

This verse is proof enough that if Allah (swt) so willed Allah (swt) could give us details about things that others may find to be mundane.

Details of the Salah (prayer) are exempt from the Holy Qur’an; nonetheless Allah (swt) saw it fit to give us some details about five different kind of food stuffs that the people of the past used to whine and complain about.

Some times Atheist would say to me: “Why does Allah reveal details about food stuffs that the people in the past used to crave but allows the Muslims to bicker, quarrel, and argue over matters of jurisprudence and theology?”

My response to that is:  “I don’t know!  I don’t have all the answers.”

One of the things that the Atheist have used before against the Holy Qur’an the following argument:

As Muslims we accept the Holy Qur’an 100% as the words of Allah (swt).

Even though the words of Iblis (Satan) are in the Holy Qur’an.

For example:

“He said: My Lord! Because You have sent me astray, I verily shall adorn the path of error for them in the earth, and shall mislead them every one….” (Holy Qur’an 15:39)

Now when we as Muslims read this are we to understand that quote as the words of Allah (swt) or the words of Iblis?  or are they words of Allah (swt) quoting Iblis?

Is Allah (swt) quoting Iblis ad-verbatim or is Allah (swt) simply re-constructing what happened using His (Allah swt) own words? In other words not an exact account but simply the ‘gist’ of what happened?

There is dialogue and conversation between non believers  and believers. 

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!” (Holy Qur’an 9:30)

Now when we as Muslims read this are we to understand that quote as the words of Allah (swt) or the words of Unbelievers;  or are they words of Allah (swt) quoting Unbelievers?

Is Allah (swt) quoting Unbelievers ad-verbatim or is Allah (swt) simply re-constructing what happened using His (swt) own words? In other words not an exact account but simply the ‘gist’ of what happened?

There is dialogue of Prophets.

So here is where the dilemma comes in.

“But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear  witness that we have surrendered .” (Holy Qur’an 3:52)

Now when we as Muslims read this are we to understand that quote as the words of Allah (swt) or the words of Jesus & his disciples;  or are they words of Allah (swt) quoting Jesus & his disciples?

Is Allah (swt) quoting Jesus & his diciples ad-verbatim or is Allah (swt) simply re-constructing what happened using His (swt) own words? In other words not an exact account but simply the ‘gist’ of what happened?

We have to ask ourselves are these actual quotations?  So here are our choices.

1) I Allah (swt) quoting these statements ad-verbatim?

2) Allah (swt) is not quoting ad-verbatim and thus giving us the ‘gist’ of what is said.

Here is the serious problems we are faced with from both option 1)  & option 2).

1) It does not seem that these are actual statements ad-verbatim.

Anyone who has studied the Holy Qur’an; or even listen to it understands that there is a fluid, tonal , rhythmic melody that rhymes along the way.

Is it highly unlikely that this is the way that Iblis talked,  normal people talk or even the Prophets talk.

To give an example.  It is highly unlikely that the Prophets talk like this:

“And I give you glad tidings from your Lord, so share your wealth and do not hoard.  If you chase after vain desires you will be bored. You cannot simply do of your own accord.  This advise is to be taken and not to be ignored.”

So for example the Qur’an has this rhythmic cadence  ‘Qul huwallahu ahad.  Allahu Samad.  Lam yalid wa lam yulad. Walam yakul lahu kufuwan ahad.’

Hopefully some scholar of any of the Muslim sects could come forward and give convincing arguments that this is how the Prophets spoke, Iblis spoke or even the unbelievers as they engaged with believers.

2) Allah (swt) is not quoting ad-verbatim and thus giving us the ‘gist’ of what is said.  Or you could say giving us an account but not the actual speech or quotes.

If this is correct it sets forth an interesting precedent.  In that the Allah (swt) is not say that it is important for any of us to have the actual truth of anything; but an approximation of truth.  The ‘gist’ if you will.

If this is the case, than those who believe in lone narrator hadith will have room to maneuver.  As they do not believe that all the hadith reports are necessarily ad-verbatim transmitted, but transmitted faithfully enough so as to give the ‘gift’ of what the Blessed Messenger (saw) said.

Likewise the Christians would have considerable room to maneuver. Because now we would be presented with a theology that says  it would be possible for Allah (swt) to present the ‘gist’ of the message of Christianity through disparate manuscripts without them being an ‘actual’ or ‘ad-verbatim’ account.

I have no good answers to the over all assertions put forward.

I would simply say Wallahu ‘Alim  (Allah knows best)


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Saudi Muslim scholar & Intellectual “False hadith culture corrupting Islam”

Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,

This was sent to me by a follower of the Prima-Qur’an blog.

Now in all honesty and fairness I would have loved to have seen this video unedited so that way we can get both sides of the exchange. I would have been interested to hear how the other Shaykh had interacted with what was presented.

None the less some very interesting points were addressed here.


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Debate: Shaykh Atabek & Ustadh Asrar

Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,

As salamu ‘alikum warahmutallahi wabaraktuh.


Published on Mar 20, 2016

…on the topic of the Timing of Fajr in Northern Lands (eg: UK and Europe)

The debate was based on the article released on Fajr/Fast Timing by Shaykh Atabek Shukurov. (See article link below)

Shaykh Atabek follows the original Hanafi opinion.

Ustadh Asrar follows a recension of the Hanafi school.

This debate was held with as much decorum and adaab as one can expect when discussing matters in which one feels passionate about.

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Correcting Bukhari’s narration attributed to the Blessed Messenger (saw).

Verily in the messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who looks unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much. (Holy Qur’an 33:21)

I have corrected the following narration found in ‘sahih’ Bukhari which is mistakenly attributed to the Blessed Messenger (saw)

Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle said, “When the Jews greet anyone of you they say: ‘Sam’Alaika (death be upon you); so you should say; ‘Wa ‘Alaika (and upon you).’ ( Volume 9, Book 84, Number 62: ‘sahih’ Bukhari)

The actual narration if true would have given a better reply in accordance with the following directive of Allah (swt)

“Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!.” (Holy Qur’an 41:34)

However, if this narration were true, the Blessed Messenger (saw) would have given a better reply in accordance with the following directive of Allah (swt)

“Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!.” (Holy Qur’an 41:34)

You cannot go to someone as sublime in charachter and love for humanity as Rasul Allah (saw) and say, “your a filthy human being. I hope that you and your entire family meet an unfortunate end” and than have the  Blessed Messenger (saw) say, ‘Wa alaika’ -and upon you.

May Allah (swt) clear the Blessed Messenger (saw) of what is being attributed to him.


I would also invite you to see the following entry:


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“The Necessity of the Hadith in Islam” – by Emad Hamdeh a Critical Review. (part 2)

“So avoid the uncleanliness of idols and avoid false words” (Holy Qur’an 22:30)

Allah-willing I would like to continue this week with critical review of the work of brother Emad Hamdeh which he titled ‘The Necessity of Hadith in Islam‘.

For those who are not caught up on my review, the first part can be found here:

I would highly recommend that you read that entry first before I continue with my critique of his book.

So let us continue shall we?

Chapter Three: One Form of Revelation?

I thought it was interesting that the brother Emad would title the chapter as such.  I felt a more appropriate title would have been “One form of divine authority?” or “Only one source of Islamic legislation?”

Because in reality, Revelation (wahyu) and Iham (inspiration) are not the same thing.   Revelation is without doubt from Allah (swt).

Emad Hamdeh in this chapter tries to give various examples of things the Blessed Messenger (saw) did and than tries to equate this as being some form of divine revelation.

However, in my humble opinion he fails to equate the actions of the Prophet (saw) as being divinely sanctioned.  In fact  The Holy Qur’an itself proves this point!

O Prophet, why do you prohibit yourself from what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Allah has already ordained for you the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise. And remember when the Prophet confided to one of his wives a statement; and when she informed another of it and Allah showed it to him, he made known part of it and ignored a part. And when he informed her about it, she said, “Who told you this?” He said, “I was informed by the Knowing, the Acquainted.”If you two wives repent to Allah , it is best, for your hearts have deviated. But if you cooperate against him – then indeed Allah is his protector, and Gabriel and the righteous of the believers and the angels, moreover, are his assistants.” (Holy Qur’an 66:1-4)

This alone is sufficient evidence from the book of Allah (swt) to show that the Blessed Messenger (saw) did things out of his own accord without it necessarily being divinely sanctioned.  He (saw) did things out of his own judgement; or what he may thought was the best course of action to take in any given situation.

I have another entry on this for the interested reader here:

So let us look at the examples brother Emad gives in chapter three:

on page 62 he says:

“Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that you may be witnesses against humankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We did not make the qiblah which you were on expect that We might distinguish him  who follows the Messenger form him who turns back on his heels… Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall be pleased with; turn then your face towards the sacred mosque (In Makkah), and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not heedless of what they do.)  (Holy Qur’an 2:143-144)

“These verses inform us that the Prophet (saw) and his Companions used to face Al-Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem while praying, before they started facing the Ka’bah, in the sacred mosque in Makkah. These verses go on to confirm that the qiblah they were facing earlier was in accordance with the orders from Allah (swt); however, no where in the Qur’an do we find a command to face the first qiblah. WE deduce from these verses that there must have been a different form of revelation which Prophet Muhammed (saw) received, directing him to face Al-Aqsa Mosque in the beginning.”

Here Emad Hamdeh is quoting from  “As-Salafi, Luqman Muhammad. Makamat as-Sunnah fit-Tashri’ Al-Islami wa Dahd Maza’im al-Munkirin wal-Mulhidin, India: Dar al-Da’i lil Nashr wal-Tawzi’, 199. p. 63)

The trust of Hamdeh’s argument can be found in the bold text above:

however, no where in the Qur’an do we find a command to face the first qiblah. WE deduce from these verses that there must have been a different form of revelation which Prophet Muhammed (saw) received, directing him to face Al-Aqsa Mosque in the beginning.”

This could be the case.  However, it is more than likely that the Blessed Messenger (saw) was already following the vestiges of Islam that still remained from previous Prophets.

Notice that the text also says, “those who have been given the book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord;”

“Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.” (Holy Bible Daniel 6:10)

The Jews have already established Jerusalem as the place that one turns when they pray.  It indicates that ritual prayer in this direction was already in vogue.

So now the question comes from where did they get this instruction from if not from Allah (swt)?

So I do not see this as a strong argument at all.

The second argument Hamdeh’ makes is on page 64

“It has been made permissible for you the night preceding fasting to go to your wives . They are clothing for you and you are clothing for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He accepted your repentance and forgave you. So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread . Then complete the fast until the sunset. And do not have relations with them as long as you are staying for worship in the mosques. These are the limits set by Allah , so do not approach them. Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.” (Holy Qur’an 2:187)

“This verse shows that conjugal relations during the nights of Ramadan had been prohibited before the revelation of the Qur’an. Allah (swt) had condemned those who has sexual relations with their spouses during the nights of Ramadan. The portion of the verse which states that (He has relented towards you and pardoned you) shows that their sexual intimacy during the nights of Ramadan had been a sin, because relenting and pardoning only happen after one has committed a sin. The words (so now have intercourse with them and seek what Alalh has ordained for you) indicate that it was only now that sexual intercourse during the nights of Ramadan is permissible, whereas previously it was not.

Yet there is no verse in the Qur’an that prohibited it; it was the Prophet (saw) who had forbidden it. Allah (swt) not only confirmed this prohibition but described those who had disobeyed it by himself; it has been a command from Allah (swt) that was not found in the Qur’an . This verse not only makes it obvious that there was a form of revelation a part from the Qur’an, but it also confirms that the Prophet (saw) was a separate lawgiver, whose commands were (and are) binding on Muslims.”

Here Emad Hamdeh is quoting from the following source:  “Usmani, Muhammad Taqi, The Authority of the Sunnah, New Delhi, India. Kitab Bhavan, 199, pp. 26-28)

Yet, there is nothing indicating that this was a command from Allah (swt).   However, Muslims are advised that making an oath and than keeping an oath is a serious matter in Islam. Provided that this oath is permissible and does not go against the tenets of Islam.

“Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you but for the intention in your hearts;. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.”  (Holy Qur’an 2:225)  So any statement that ‘Allah relented to you and pardoned you‘ are for those who took oaths upon themselves.

The other example he gives is on page 65

“A final example is that of the funeral prayer. Allah (swt) has commanded the Prophet (saw) not to perform the funeral prayer for the hypocrites stating:

“Never pray for any of them who dies nor stand at his grave.” (Holy Qur’an 9:84)

“Commenting on this verse, Habib -ur-Rahman Azami says:

“The verse implies that such funeral services had begun to be performed and that the Prophet used to offer prayers at the burial of the dead before this particular verse was revealed: yet no verse revealed earlier than this one can be cited as enjoining such services or prayers upon the Prophet and the Muslims. It must, therefore, be conceded that the command for the burial services was given through the sunnah.”

One must note the word ‘implies’ in the above paragraph.  Also the Qur’an is not repealing any law since there was no law in effect.

If we understand sunnah to mean ‘words, deeds and treatises of the Prophet’ than I have no problem in excepting that the Blessed Messenger (saw) may very well have offered funeral prayers for the hypocrites.  However, once again he is a human being whom uses his own discretion.  When this discretion is something that Allah (swt) does not approve of Allah (swt) makes it known; as in the case of the above verse.

In fact what all that Emad Hamdeh and Habib ur-Rahman Azami did was give me a further argument to prove my point in my entry above:

Think about it!  If the Prophet’s Sunnah means it is another source of revelation.  How could Allah (swt) show his displeasure at a source of revelation which ultimately would have come from Allah (swt) -via inspiration through the Prophet!

Some times I wonder if our scholars really think through half the stuff they say some times.  

May Allah (swt) have mercy on them and us.

Chapter Four: The Prophet (saw) as a Teacher

pages 68 brother Emad says,

“Considering the fact that the Prophet (saw) was sent a s a teacher, let us look at what he was sent to teach. Part of the Prophet’s mission was to teach the ‘book and the wisdom’. Imam ash-Shaf’i and others have said that the wisdom is the Sunnah, whereas Hadith rejecters argue that it is the book-the Qur’an.”

He continues on page 69

“Thus we deduce that it must be the Sunnah, exclusive of anything else. Allah (swt) has graced the believers by sending them both the general principles of Islam found in the Quran, and their application found in the Sunnah. Allah (swt) has specified that He graced the believers by teaching them the wisdom, and Allah’s grace can only be on something that is true and in complete accordance with His teachings.”

“Therefore, the word ‘wisdom‘ is nothing other than the Sunnah, or way of the Messenger (saw).”

Actually the Qur’an only Muslims as well as Imam Shafi’i (may Allah have mercy on him) are both wrong.

We have proved that in our entry here:

By allowing the word ‘hikma‘ -or wisdom to be interpreted by its meaning uses in the Holy Qur’an we can see that the conclusion that Imam Shafi’i reached is unfounded.  By using the same method we can also see that the conclusion that the Qur’an only Muslims have reached is unsound.

On page 70  Emad Hamdeh quotes the following:

“And you surely are upon an exalted standard of character.”  (Holy Qur’an 68:4)

“Since his character is the best of characters, it is only logical for the Muslims to imitate and follow him. How can one do this without knowing how he behaved in his everyday life? Allah’s praise of the Prophet’s character is a clear command that Muslims should emulate and imitate him to the best of their ability.”

We have dealt with this in depth here:

So we ask how we can best imitate prophet Ibrahim (upon him be peace) as we do not have tomes and tomes of literature relating to the minutia of his every day life.

& here:

I for one have found much beauty in many of the oral traditions attributed to the Blessed Messenger (saw).

The problem comes when we find ahadith that describe the Blessed Messenger (saw) as less than an ideal human being.    What these hadith end up doing is actually going against the very verse that Emad Hamdeh has quoted!

For example let us take Emad Hamdeh’s statement:  “that Muslims should emulate and imitate him to the best of their ability” and look at this for a moment.

How many Muslims men do any of you know who’s first wife was a twice divorced widow?  How many Muslim men have married a woman who was  15-20 years his senior as his first choice of wife? How many Muslim men do you know who have conjugal relations with 9 year old children?

Yeah, I didn’t think so either.

So as was explained in the link above , ‘Well they just reject the Sunnah‘, no one is rejecting what the Blessed Messenger (saw) said or did.  We are having doubts about what a said that b said that c said that d said that the Blessed Messenger (saw) said or did.   There is a huge……difference here.

On page 72 he quotes:

“O Prophet! Verily, We have sent you as a witness, and as a bearer of good news and as a warner. And as one who invites to Allah’s grace by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.” (Holy Qur’an 33:45-46)

“If Allah (swt) had intended only the Qur’an as a source of guidance, He could have described the Qur’an as a lamp. Instead, He has described the Prophet (saw) as such.”

However the word for light here is ‘muneer‘ and it is the same word that is used of the moon else where.

“Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a lamp and luminous moon.” (Holy Qur’an 25:61)

Since the moon is reflective of the light of the sun. The moon does not produce its own light!  So since the moon is reflective of the light of the Sun  what is the light of the Blessed Messenger (saw)  reflective of?   The lamp or needs oil to burn.  So what light was the Blessed Messenger (saw) spreading if not the light of the Holy Qur’an?

So this analogy does not hold.

We will be following up with more in our critical review of brother Emad Hamdeh’s work. Insh’Allah.

O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light. (Holy Qur’an 4:174)




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Conversations with a member of the Ahmadi Sect

“Say, “He is the one able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to confuse you so that you become sects and make you taste the violence of one another.” Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand.” (Holy Qur’an 6:65)

Recently a brother from the Ahmadi sect (a sect that believes that another Prophet has come after the Blessed Messenger.) had posted some comments in Prima-Qur’an and gave a link to his web site.  I am going to allow his comment to remain up so long as he post a link on his web site to my own.  After all, I did not give him permission to post a link to his own personal web site.

However, this does not mean that I am offended. I am simply hoping that some equal standards could be applied.

I mentioned my brief encounters with a friend of mine who was a follower of the Ahmadiyyah sect.

I was interested in some of the books that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is reported to have penned.  I didn’t listen to the myriad of people who told me not to read their material and immediately dissociate from my friend.  I said to myself I wonder where I would be if I listened to Christians who advised me not to listen to anything Muslims had to say.

So as the brother considered that the Ahmadi sect was a ‘sub sect‘ of the ‘Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah‘ or ‘Sunni sect‘  I gave some reasons on why I was not convinced of their platform.

He was grateful for that response and decided to give a rejoinder.

You may see that here: comments section:

This entry will be my response to his rejoinder.

I gave primarily four objections on why I did not buy into the idea that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the so called ‘Promised Messiah‘, the ‘Return of Jesus‘ and/or the ‘Mahdi‘.

1) My view is that of Ibn Khaldun whom does not give much weight to any hadith about the supposed ‘second coming of Jesus‘ or ‘Mahdi arrival‘.

2) The fact that Christ Jesus must of necessity be on the Cross in order for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s theory to be correct was also telling.  There is absolutely no reliable historical evidence that Jesus was on a cross like structure.

To me it is quite interesting that the Jehovah’s Witness organization was formed after Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I mention this because if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has been exposed to the literature and research of the Jehovah’s witness he may not have made the error that he did, in reference to Christ Jesus, and the alleged death, on a Cross, like structure.

3) I feel the Ahmadi sects attempt to make the hadith of Jesus descending in Damascus apply to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be contrived.   I felt the interpretation was forced. That no one could believe such interpretations unless one was already a member of the Ahmadi sect with a vested interest in such an interpretation.

4) That Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not even ‘the last prophet‘  but that we could possibly expect ‘thousands more‘ seemed really a fantastic claim.

So first let us deal with objection #3)

The hadith in question is:

“An-Nawwas b. Sam’an reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant and we felt as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah’s Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees. Thereupon he said: I harbour fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among on, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to ‘Abd-ul-‘Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah’s Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He said: For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah’s Messenger, would one day’s prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah’s Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their posturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth. He would then walk through the waste, land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tibering and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinirs and Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels’ hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them. (‘sahih’ Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 7015)

The brother who responded by saying:

“Jesus son of Mary will descend near a white minaret to the East of Damascus” (Sahīh Muslim)

– Qadian is directly East of Damascus
– There is a white minaret in Qadian, and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was born near it
– There was no white minaret near or in Damascus during the time of the Prophet (sa) when he made such a statement

Therefore, if the hadith means that the Messiah will ‘settle himself in, stop in his journey in, or lodge himself in’ a place ‘inda عند (near) a white minaret, to the East of Damascus, this clearly happened with Seyyidina Ahmad who lived in a place near a white minaret to the East of Damascus. There is a more in-depth explanation of this hadith based on tasawwuf in one of his books known as Izala-e-Awham, but this should suffice for now.”

My response: Again there seems to be great liberties taken with this hadith.  I wonder how many other people were born near that particular mosque with a white minaret, or any white minaret for that matter, that just so happened to be ‘east‘ of Damascus?   Than what about the rest of the hadith itself?    Again it is just open to such an array of interpretations and ‘could have been scenarios’ that it reminds me of the same kind of liberties Christians take with their interpretations of ‘Old Testament text‘.

In relationship to objection #2 the brother had the following to say:

“I’m not sure I know of the historicity regarding Jesus being placed on the cross, but inasmuch as I’ve read the literature by Islamic scholars of the past, they mostly seem to say he was not placed on the cross, however modern unbiased scholars of Islamic Studies and Christology have deduced that such a position is based mostly on conjecture, and Jesus most undoubtedly must have been on the cross.

For instance, in the new book “Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth” by Reza Aslan, he goes against the mainstream Islamic position of Jesus not being crucified but another in his stead and instead says that he was crucified based on the earliest historical accounts.

Here is an interesting research paper on the history of Jesus being placed on the cross or a person in his stead, based on the writings of Islamic scholars throughout the ages:

My response:

There are some things that all of us need to try and avoid when having exchanges and dialogues.   I would caution my brother reading this, as I would caution all readers to try and avoid using terminology like ‘unbiased‘.    It is not a scholarly assertion at all. I mean that respectfully.  I am biased. The brother who is writing his response is biased.

Bias is defined as: “Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.”

Everyone has a bias; or if we want to use a more accurate term ‘supposition‘.

Supposition is defined as: “assumption – presumption. hypothesis, to suppose.”

This can be further proven when one analyzes the statement made once again as put forth by our respected brother:

“unbiased scholars of Islamic Studies and Christology have deduced that such a position is based mostly on conjecture, and Jesus most undoubtedly must have been on the cross.”

The question would be do those scholars have consensus that Jesus died on the cross?  If not why not? So those same scholars who may agree that Jesus was on the cross, definitely do not agree that he died on the cross.

So we should not get hasty in our assumptions; because there are scholars of Islamic Studies and Christology whom do not believe that Jesus died on a cross.

I do not have the book by Reza Aslan. I am assuming that the brother does have access to it.  So if the brother could give us those sources that Reza Aslan relied upon “based on the earliest historical accounts.”  That he feels is reliable enough to show that Jesus most definitely was on a cross we would be most interested in seeing this.

Secondly the link that actually was provided:

This link has absolutely no information about Jesus being on a cross. There is no historical data referenced.

Once again I think that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad could not possibly be inspired or be a  Messenger of Allah (swt) because his information though well researched, is none the less lacking.

He never ‘broke any cross’ -according to the hadith, if there was no cross to begin with.  Of course the followers of the Ahmadi sect will counter that the ‘cross‘ is symbolic of Christianity.  Well, my friends no one has dealt a ‘death blow‘ to Christianity. It is still strong and vibrant.

Dealing with objection number 4)

The brother offered the following reply:

“3.) The Ahmadi position (misunderstood by many lay-Ahmadis) is that the Prophet Muhammad (sa) is the Seal of the Prophets, meaning no new prophet can come after him. However, as the Khatām al-’Anbiyā’, prophets through burūz and ẓill (shadow and mirror reflection) may appear through him via fanā fī al-rasūl (complete extinction and annihilation in the Prophet). This does not break his seal of nabūwwah. This was a position shared by many of the awliyā’ of the past including Ibn ‘Arabī and Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qādir, etc.”

Yet, to me the following link shows that this situation is still not sorted among the Ahmadi themselves:

It also underscores a key split that happened among Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s followers that became the the two rival sects, the Lahori Ahmadiyyah movement and the Qadiani Ahmadiyyah movement.

Ultimately Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claims also rest upon his assumptions of what Holy Qur’an 4:157 means.  In fact a huge part of what he claims to be is based upon a verse in the Holy Qur’an that is mutashabihat,  or subject to many interpretations, and thus not entirely clear.

I am also troubled that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was himself a sectarian (as a follower of the Sunni sect) and his followers have split into two rival sects.   So none of this is very appealing to me.

This is in clear violation of the Holy Qur’an.

I would caution the readers, and our respected brother to be very cautious of the ‘Islamic’ secondary sources, as used by the Sunni, Shi’a and Ibadi sects.

“Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects – do not have anything to do with them. Their affair is only  to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do. ” (Holy Qur’an 6:159)


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Oral traditions ascribed to the Blessed Muhammed that are very difficult to digest

“But there are, among men, those who purchase vain hadith, without knowledge , to mislead from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule on the Path: for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.” (Holy Qur’an 31:6)

Right now at this entry is being made Muslims the world over are reacting to the recent video documentary that was done about the Blessed Messenger (upon whom be peace).  Muslims have a profound love and attachment to the Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace).   This is rightly so!
“The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than the Brotherhood of Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree” .(Holy Qur’an 33:6)

Muslims have overflowing love and admiration for all of Allah’s Messengers (may peace and blessings be upon them all).

While I may not agree with mass protest on the streets, or emotionally charged responses, to such videos, I do believe that we can do our part, as Muslims, to defend our Beloved Messenger (may eternal peace and blessings be upon him, his wives and family).

I am doing my part by defending the Noble Messenger (upon whom be peace) by the filthy and ludicrous statements and deeds attributed to him in the oral traditions of that are sacred to the Sunni sect in particular.

Drinking the Blessed Messengers Urine?

Imam Jalal al-Din Sayuti reports from Tabarani and Bayhaqi who narrate from Hukaymah bint Umaymah (May Allah be pleased with her) with an authentic chain of transmission, she said, ‘the Prophet (May Allah shower peace and blessings on Him) had a wooden bowl in which He used to urinate and was placed under His bed. One night, He searched for it but did not find it and asked for it saying, ‘Where is the bowl?’ The members of the house replied, ‘Umm Salamah’s slave girl Barrah drank from it’ who came from Habashah with her. The Prophet replied, ‘surely she has protected herself from the fire with a great wall”. (Al-Khasai’is al-Kubra 2:252, Matba’ah Da’irat al-Ma’arif, Hayder Abad)

Here is a link (I can’t believe it’s called ‘islamic education’) any how, here is a link that goes out of it’s way to show to all and sundry how authentic this particular oral tradition is.

You can click on the following:

If you click above you can see in another narration (a variation) of the story has:

I rose in the state of thirst so I drank whatever was in the bowl. In the morning I told Him what I had done to which He smiled and said, ‘surely you will never have pain in your stomach”

This is very disturbing. Let us assume that the story is true.  Why relate it?  So that Sufi Muslims can extol the blessings and virtues of drinking the Blessed Messenger’s urine?  How twisted and depraved can a person get?

This narration implies a  few things.

1) That slaves were so maltreated that they didn’t have recourse to the same water that other members of the Blessed Messenger’s household/family would have recourse to.   Did any of the Prophet Muhammed’s family drink urine when they were thirsty? If not why not?

Was this slave so maltreated and so driven by thirst that this was the only recourse?  That a slave woman could go into the Messenger of Allah’s bedroom and grab a bowl from under his bed without anyone noticing this sounds a bit bizarre.

Lastly, if the Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace) was as clairvoyant as the Sufi’s want to claim why didn’t he stop this poor woman from this very embarrassing and demeaning act?

You can see it now! The Christian missionaries will be talking about “How My Lord Christ Jesus fed 5000 people with five small barley loaves and two small fish where as Muhammed had only his urine to offer to the thirsty slave woman!”

It is insulting and demeaning to the Messenger of Allah!  Allah forbid!

Sexual intimacy with a 9 year old girl?

Narrated Hisham’s father:

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

How would anyone know that the marriage was consummated?  Did anyone witness the act? Does a person let alone a Messenger of Allah go around and start telling people, ‘By the way I did such and such an act with my wife!’. No!  Allah forbid!

This is not consistent with reports that  the Messenger of Allah (upon him be peace) was ‘even shier than a virgin behind her veil.’

His wife, the blessed lady ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her and exalt her station) is considered to be one of the ‘mothers of the believers’.  Does she not deserve a level of modesty and respect than a half witted oral tradition that broadcast to all and sundry when she lost her virginity?

Companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) saying that he urinates in the manner of women.

Narrated Amr ibn al-‘As: AbdurRahman ibn Hasanah reported: I and Amr ibn al-‘As went to the Prophet (peace be upon him). He came out with a leather shield (in his hand). He covered himself with it and urinated. Then we said: Look at him. He is urinating as a woman does. The Prophet (peace be upon him), heard this and said: Do you not know what befell a person from among Banu Isra’il (the children of Israel)? When urine fell on them, they would cut off the place where the urine fell; but he (that person) forbade them (to do so), and was punished in his grave. (Abu Dawud 1:22) 

What was so important about narrating this encounter?  What was so awesome about it that these people committed it  to memory and wanted it mass transmitted across the entire planet?
Narrated Abu Huraira: I followed the Prophet while he was going out to answer the call of nature. He used not to look this way or that. So, when I approached near him he said to me, “Fetch for me some stones for ‘ cleaning the privates parts (or said something similar), and do not bring a bone or a piece of dung.” So I brought the stones in the corner of my garment and placed them by his side and I then went away from him. When he finished (from answering the call of nature) he used, them . (Sahih Bukhari 1:4:157)
This Abu Huraira (who ever he is) is problematic for a number of reasons. But can’t a Messenger of Allah (upon them be peace) relieve himself without someone looking over his shoulder?  Why report this?  How does it increase me in faith? How does it bring me closer to Allah?
Narrated ‘Abdullah: The Prophet went out to answer the call of nature and asked me to bring three stones. I found two stones and searched for the third but could not find it. So I took a dried piece of dung and brought it to him. He took the two stones and threw away the dung and said, “This is a filthy thing.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:4:158)
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Whenever Allah’s Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented, “So that he might wash his private parts with it.)” (Sahih Bukhari 1:4:152 & Sahih Bukhari 1:4:153)
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Whenever Allah’s Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to carry a tumbler full of water (for cleaning the private parts) and an ‘Anza (spear-headed stuck).

(Sahih Bukhari 1:4:154)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: When the Prophet (peace be upon him) wanted to relieve himself, he would not raise his garment, until he lowered himself near the ground. (Abu Dawud 1:14)

“Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: “When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wanted to answer the call of nature, he would not lift his garment until he had squatted close to the ground.” (al-Tirmidhi No. 14, see also Saheeh al-Jaami’ No. 4652)

Than for what ever reason that Bukhari felt it was edifying for the masses or maybe  just for giggles and pure comedic entertainment he decided to throw in the following oral tradition in his magnum opus:

Narrated ‘Amru bin Maimun: “During the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.”  (Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188)

I didn’t know that animals can commit illegal sexual intercourse! Good ‘ol ‘Sahih’ Bukhari has little something for everybody I guess.

Now watch some apologetic for the oral tradition come along and respond to what I wrote here.  “You see the very reason that they recorded such minute details proves to us how faithfully they transmitted his every word, and deed!”

“Don’t let this guy fool you!”  “All that are contained with in the oral traditions are true and right!”  “It is canon and it is scripture!”

Look, I am not here to tell people to stop wearing turbans, and keeping long beards or following any of the etiquette of the Blessed Messenger (upon whom be peace) that these people feel is necessary to do. The problem is that these people many many times try and enforce their code, and understanding of the Blessed Messengers lifestyle upon everyone else.

Next time someone comes to you about following the ‘Sunna’ of the Blessed Messenger (upon whom be peace) in every detail let them marry a woman 20 years senior to them.  I wonder indeed how many of our scholars, and sheikhs have practiced that particular Sunna?

What kind of a person watches another answer the call of nature and than mass transmit this information?

May Allah protect the believers and forgive us our mistakes.

“But there are, among men, those who purchase vain hadith, without knowledge , to mislead from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule on the Path: for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.” (Holy Qur’an 31:6)


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When the Light is Dim: Ayn Rand and Anton Levay

“Or they are like the darkness of a fathomless sea that is covered by waves above, which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those to whom Allah gives no light, they have no light.” ( Holy Qur’an 24:40)

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Because of our profound Love and concern for humanity we also need to address the things that ‘go bump in the night’.

Anton Lavey Mr. “Lucifer is the Light Bringer” himself… and founder of the ‘Church of Satan’ has had the following to about Ayn Rand (Ms Rosenbaum) and her philosophy.

“Satanism is just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added.”

“I give people Ayn Rand with trappings.” – Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan (to Kim Klein of the Washington Post, 1970)

So here are some not so ‘wonderful’ Ayn Rand quotes about handicapped children, Native American Indians, Arabs, altruism etc….

“Subnormal children and on the handicapped… It’s the attempt to bring everybody to the level of the handicapped. It includes the mentally retarded, subnormal children who are not able to learn. So at the end of spending thousands of millions of the tax payers’ dollars, you’re left with a half-idiot who may learn to read and write. May!” -Ayn Rand

So, maybe Ayn Rand had a cruel indifference towards intellectually disabled children. But she more than made up for it for having a special place in her heart for William Edward Hickman, a killer who kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered a 12-year-old girl. In her notebook, which was published posthumously, Rand wrote that Hickman embodied,

“The amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. … Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should.”-Ayn Rand

“During an interview, Mike Wallace said, “You say that you do not like the altruism by which we live.” Rand responded by correcting him ever so slightly: “I will say that, ‘I don’t like’ is too weak a word. I consider it evil.”-Ayn Rand

“[The Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using…. What was it they were fighting for, if they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their “right” to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or maybe a few caves above it. Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent.” -Ayn Rand

“The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures. They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive… When you have civilized men fighting savages, you support the civilized men, no matter who they are.” -Ayn Rand Surprise Surprise a Zionist

Hopefully those of you who are sleeping will wake up. Those of you who have dabbled will pause and have a moment of thoughtful reflection.

Here is the web address to the institute:

So Muslims , Christians, and others would be wise to understand the writings of Ms. Rosenbaum as well as those she influences.

“Or they are like the darkness of a fathomless sea that is covered by waves above, which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those to whom Allah gives no light, they have no light.” ( Holy Qur’an 24:40

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